Emoji proposals processed by ESC

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Emoji proposals processed by ESC

Crissov opened this issue 6 years ago · 12 comments

Answer 1 · 2018-04-26T06:46:46.000Z

"Muscial"

Malformed?! The instructions never said the emoji had to be of one theme; they did suggest I use Google Trends to assess interest. When the SC emaild me to gripe at my omission, I gave two counterexempla to prove that Google Trends did the opposite of their assertion.

UTC Document Submission
To Autymn D. C. 09/30/16 at 3:01 PM
Thank you for your interest in Unicode. This is to let you know that your proposal has been received and will be reviewed by the emoji subcommittee.

Autymn D. C. wrote:
Please consider the attached document for submission to the UTC.

UTC Document Submission
To Autymn D. C. 10/04/16 at 4:27 PM
The emoji subcommittee has considered this proposal.

Members felt the proposal is too large, with too many items lumped
together. If you wish to pursue this, you will need to break it up into
a set of smaller proposals with topic areas separately addressed. For
example lumping the mythological/fantasy beings into one proposal,
animals into another, plants into another, household items... And so forth.

In general, the committee is favoring gender-neutral concepts. E.g., not
having separate "giant" and "giantess", but a single "giant", which
could be combined with other characters to make ZWJ sequences such as
"female giant". Just as one example.

Please note that proposals have already been received for fly and
salt/pepper shaker, so those can be omitted from any future document.

The resulting proposals all will need statistics and much more detail
for the committee to consider any of the items. Please see some of the
sample proposals for suggestions for expanding your information.

Regards,

Autymn D. C. wrote:

/Please consider the attached document for submission to the UTC./

Autymn D. C.
To UTC Document Submission 10/05/16 at 12:17 AM
The reason I combined all of the sections was to save work and time for both parties and save size of the document, but the individual entries in the table at least address the criteria for each emoji unlike your sample proposals which only deal with the set of emoji broadly and without detail; as such I didn't agree with your sample proposals' format. I gave more detail than they did other than their use of search amounts over time instead of indexed amounts at the time of writing and their use of the size of subcultures who take part in the concept behind the emoji.

Did you want me to talk about the size of these groups for my proposal? I think that is overspecific and again only accounts for how popular something already is, the concept behind the emoji, rather than how popular another thing could be, the emoji itself, by the intent of "expected frequency of use". I also disagree with the use of search popularity in proposals; that does not relate to how often everyone uses the emoji, and no relation or its strength between these has been shown. The trends in your sample proposals only use one keyword, unlike my search terms which narrow each term to the object, so the premise in your method is overbroad and deceptive. Both searches and results can be manipulated by bots. When I google Google Trends I get these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Trends
"A group of researchers at Wellesley College examined data from Google Trends and analyzed how effective a tool it could be in predicting U.S. Congressional elections in 2008 and 2010. In highly contested races where data for both candidates were available, the data successfully predicted the outcome in 33.3% of cases in 2008 and 39% in 2010. The authors conclude that, compared to the traditional methods of election forecasting, incumbency and New York Times polls, and even in comparison with random chance, Google Trends did not prove to be a good predictor of either the 2008 or 2010 elections."

https://medium.com/@dannypage/stop-using-google-trends-a5014dd32588#.uyhqu7769
"But what shouldn’t you use Google Trends for? Well, until people start using it appropriately, everything."

The main idea behind the Medium story is that the searches behind Trends tell when someone wants more information on a concept, not how often one uses or talks about a concept. So the Google results should be more proportional to how often everyone uses the emoji than the Google searches should be.

I don't know if it's necessary to cite the search popularity of one extant emoji in each grouping, like I'd need to cite the results for fish, tree, automobile, etc. The more often one does that the more cherrypicking makes it into a proposal and I want to avoid that. So that's why I only cited the extant ogre and goblin. Not to mention that because these are mostly new objects there aren't any similar emoji to compare them to.

I could draw gender-common (Gender-neutral, it/that/what, means something inanimate like a rock or robot, or maybe a Turner syndrome X.), one/who/some/they, persons but I'm not sure how to put in the clothes and hair, and it sounds like the classic terms for each gender with their proper endings may be left out for a longer, two-word construction. As the art for each gender already exists, couldn't a later artist add the common versions?

-Aut

They did not answer my last email. And later proposals used and succeeded my nominees without direct attribution: http://google.com/search?q=%2264+Complementary+Emoji%22; http://google.com/search?q=Unicode+compass+OR+brick+OR+parrot+OR+soap+OR+basket.

Answer 2 · 2018-04-26T08:13:26.000Z

@alysdexia Did you put your proposal up online somewhere?

I agree that the tools the ESC recommends or even requires to assert future emoji popularity are ill-suited, Google Trends in particular. Alas, they are making the rules and anyone who wants to see their favorite emoji encoded has to jump through the hoops.

Answer 3 · 2018-04-26T08:47:12.000Z

If it were online I'd think Google'd know about it. Where should I put it? Also as a committee member can't you access it?

Answer 4 · 2018-04-26T09:07:57.000Z

No, unfortunately only subcommittee members have access to proposals that have not (yet) been advanced to the UTC.

If you put your proposal up on Github or Google Docs etc. (whatever suits yourself best), others could contribute prose and data or just provide helpful comments.

Answer 5 · 2018-04-26T09:11:36.000Z

Uh-oh, the spreadsheet is completely blank, unlike the last time you? saved it:
http://web.archive.org/web/20180417225811/www.unicode.org/emoji/emoji-requests.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20180426090956/http://www.unicode.org/emoji/emoji-requests.html

Answer 6 · 2018-04-26T09:54:52.000Z

Uploaded: https://github.com/alysdexia/64-Complementary-Emoji

Answer 7 · 2018-04-26T10:06:54.000Z

UTC feedback for Eraser #288 :
Proposal here.

On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:11:03 -0700
UTC Document Submission docsubmit@unicode.org wrote:

Thank you again for your proposal. This has been reviewed by the
emoji subcommittee.

Members felt that "rubber" is not a good comparison because the word
alone matches the material, plants, and so forth. Also, the utility
of usage as "strike-through" is not convincing, and we already have
emoji such as: 🚫⛔️

If you wish to re-submit, please include full statistics and search
results, as shown on the submission page:
http://www.unicode.org/emoji/selection.html

Regards,

Marius Spix wrote:

Dear Sir/Madam,

thank you for your detailed feedback.

Please find my revised proposal in the attachment.

Best Regards,

Marius Spix

On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 09:56:37 -0700
UTC Document Submission docsubmit@unicode.org wrote:

Hello. Thank you again for your submission. The emoji subcommittee
has reviewed your proposal and has several comments.

First, the proposal is promising, but needs to include frequency
screenshots. Please see the submission form for details. The
committee suggested including and discussing other images. E.g.,
look at existing UI icons for removal and erasure. Please consider
modifying and re-submitting the proposal.

For detailed information about how to submit proposals for new
emoji, and the requirements for proposals, please see:
http://www.unicode.org/emoji/selection.html

For a list of frequently asked questions about emoji submissions,
please see:
http://www.unicode.org/faq/emoji_submission.html

Regards,

Marius Spix wrote:

Dear Sir/Madam,

please find attached my proposal for an eraser emoji.

Sincerely Yours

Marius Spix

I am currently working on Paper Aeroplane #383 .

Answer 8 · 2018-10-26T12:57:48.000Z

New 2018

(without draft candidates and provisional candidates)

Suggested Emoji	Status	Category
Barbecue (B) #263	New	Food?
Blue Light	New	Object
Boomerang #126	New	Object
Bubble Tea	New	Food
Cardinal	New	Animal
Cauliflower	New	Food
Cigar	New	Object
Disabilities	Newly Revised	Other
Durian	New	Food
Earthquake (B)	Newly Revised	Weather
Elevator	Newly Revised	Transport
Exhausted Tired Face	New	Faces
Figa	New	Face/person/body
Flag of Brittany	New	Flags
Fondue	Newly Revised	Food
Hand Heart #222	New	Face/person/body
Hangry (B)	New	Faces
Hok San Lion Head	Newly Revised	Animal
Hook	Newly Revised	Object
Lemur #215	New	Animal
Person / Man / Woman with Glasses	New	Faces
Matryoshka	New	Object
Moose #161	New	Animal
Mustard	New	Food
NATO flag (B)	New	Flags
Picket Sign	Newly Revised	Object
Poppy #113	New	Plant
Radish	New	Food
Roasted Marshmallow	New	Food
Rosé (wine) #59	New	Food
Starfish #183	Newly Revised	Animal
Stump	New	Object
Thumbs-Up Smiley	New	Faces
Worm	New	Animal
Wrapped Food in Leaf	New	Food
Yes/No/Probably	New	Faces

Added to Larger Set

Animals

Anglerfish
Buffalo/Bison
Capybara
Jellyfish (two proposals) #214
Kiwi
Manatee #102
Maneki Neko (the lucky waving cat might be in another larger set)
Ostrich #93
~~Oyster~~ (different proposal lead to it becoming a candidate already)
Pelican #211
Polar Bear (three proposals) #107
Puffin
Salamander
Seahorse #176
Tapir
Vieira Shell
Fourth Monkey (Do No Evil, really belongs into the Faces set)

Faces

Curly Lips :-3
Perplexed/Crazy

Food

Bean #56
Durian fruit (two proposals)
Leek-Scallion #57
Nacatamal (there is also a less specific proposal for leaf-wrapped foods like Tamale)
Sub sandwich

Musical Instruments

Flute #81
Trombone #80

Sports

Penalty Cards
“Sports related”

(Region) Flags

Assyrian flag #352
Basque flag #330
Berber flag
Brittany flag
Catalonia Flag #330
Esperanto flag (two proposals) #297
Flag of Northern Cyprus
Northern Ireland flag
Peace Flag
Red flag #204
Sami flag #205
Transgender flag #206
US state/other flags #405

Other or uncertain

Girl Power
Haitians
Healths
Island Dancers
Left Writing Hand (directional sequences) #24
Mars #120
Needle #165
Please
Three Fingers #28
Washing Machine
West coast hand (this entry seems outdated because it already was forwarded once to UTC and rejected, unless this is a newer proposal)
White Rose
Woman in Saree

Answer 9 · 2022-03-30T06:24:04.000Z

Hi, what about the Galician flag mentioned in #330 ?

Answer 10 · 2023-08-02T14:36:42.000Z

I got really surprised today that #322 is still not available.

Emoji proposals processed by ESC

Animal

Clothing

Dishware

Emotion

Face / Person / Body

Faces

Body

People

Fantasy

Flags

Food

Game

Health / Medical

Household

Mixed

Muscial Instrument

Object

Other

Other: Object

Places

Science

Weather

Sport

Transport

Video

New 2018

Added to Larger Set

Animals

Faces

Food

Musical Instruments

Sports

(Region) Flags

Other or uncertain