Removes HoP's helmet
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Issue by Ikarrus from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:00 GMT
Originally opened as tgstation/tgstation#3058
What it says on the tin. Removes the helmet from spawning HoPs and the one in his locker. The intent was to reduce the perception that the HoP is a combat-oriented role and further discourage and make more obvious of HoPs who powergame/HoPcurity.
Questions or concerns are welcome.
Ikarrus included the following code: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/3058/commits
Comment by Nienhaus from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:02 GMT
Ian is the only on in that office who needs a helmet and armour. 👍
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Ikarrus notifications@github.com wrote:
What it says on the tin. Removes the armor and helmet from spawning HoPs
and the ones in his locker. The intent was to reduce the perception that
the HoP is a combat-oriented role and further discourage and make more
obvious of HoPs who powergame/HoPcurity.Ultimately, however, HoPs do not need body armor for their offiical duties.
Questions or concerns are welcome.
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Commit Summary
- Removes HoP's armor and helmet
File Changes
- M code/game/jobs/job/captain.dmhttps://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/3058/files#diff-0(4)
- M
code/game/objects/structures/crates_lockers/closets/secure/security.dmhttps://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/3058/files#diff-1(4)Patch Links:
- https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/3058.patch
- https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/3058.diff
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Comment by EuroNumbers from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:04 GMT
Leaving armour in the locker would be wise though, since well HoP is second in command and always have been, some emergency protection in case of shit going down is a good idea.
I'm all for him spawning without armour though. The days of Commando HoP should be over.
Comment by Ikarrus from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:05 GMT
I'd like to think that, in case of emergency, the HoP should just walk down to security and take one of theirs. An emergency is, after all, a legitimate reason to take armor.
Comment by fleure from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:05 GMT
Though my two cents: I actually think you're right. People often play HoP like he's the head of security or some kind of station batman, which he ain't. You can still request gear from the warden or HoS, too.
RIP armoured Ian, though.
Comment by Ikarrus from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:07 GMT
I can't imagine any officer denying a request from the HoP for armor for Ian. Unless they are literally Hitler.
Comment by EuroNumbers from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:12 GMT
Well Sec is often called the SS, so yes, they're like little Hitlers, running around the station.
I'm still on the fence about it being removed from the locker. I'm all for it being removed from HoP.
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Comment by Atskadan from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:19 GMT
removing security channel from the headset didnt stop people from stealing one at roundstart
all this will do is mean security gets even less equipment
Comment by Aranclanos from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:20 GMT
okay okay how about removing the helmet but leaving the body armor, eh?
Comment by Ikarrus from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:22 GMT
@Atskadan Unlike radios, armor is highly visible and makes it very obvious what he did. Not to mention taking a sec key every round is pretty shitty. I don't believe "Because people will powergame anyway" is a good reason to not do something against it. I don't believe security ever has a shortage of armor, either, considering they have 8 spare sets.
@Aranclanos Why one but not the other?
Comment by Aranclanos from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:31 GMT
well I believe the helmet is what gives them the "officer" feel. Plus some people like the new armor and the swag factor is impurrtant.
Just for the record, when I play HoP I leave the armor and helmet on the locker. (and take jumpsuits from places that I shouldn't be but I'm corrupt because #swag)
Comment by Ikarrus from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:32 GMT
I can see how that would work. I'd be fine with it, especially if people make a new sprite for the vest that looked less military.
Comment by Aranclanos from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:33 GMT
oh and the fact that a lot of people will be upset and we don't need the drama right now
Comment by Ikarrus from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:35 GMT
Oh boy, -Political- reasons. If it's that much of a concern for you then I don't have anything to say about it.
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oh and the fact that a lot of people will be upset and we don't need the drama right now
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Comment by VistaPOWA from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:35 GMT
How about you just re-use the old armor and helmet sprites with lowered protection stats?
Makes sense that HoP gets surplus security equipment, if he even gets ANY.
Comment by Aranclanos from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:38 GMT
oh cmon don't be like that, I gave you real reasons and then a plus. If you want ignore the plus but not the whole thing.
Comment by Malkevin from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:39 GMT
HoP needs a hat, I'd say something inspired by Papers, Please
Comment by EuroNumbers from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:42 GMT
Well Ikarrus, taking players' toys make them upset. Give them a new toy to distract them while you take away their old toys... never fails.
Comment by Ikarrus from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:42 GMT
If I had offended you Aran, I apologize. That was not the intent of my reply.
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HoP needs a hat, I'd say something inspired by Papers, Please
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Comment by GunHog from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:52 GMT
MUST we do this? 👎 No self respecting HoS would let the HoP trot around acting as Security, unless his team is so thin that he has to resort to letting potential antags join up. It is better to give him resprited armor so he looks more like an executive, and not an officer.
We are talking about a guy that walks around with all-access here. Leaving him naked and unsatisfied could have quite a few consequences. Assistants and clowns will no longer consider him a threat, and the lure of all-access is too juicy to ignore. You could see the return of Guncargo, for when the HoS refuses to share his.gear, and the HoP feels too weak with only his E-gun.
Let us avoid screwing over the guy with the all-access ID, eh? We do NOT need the HoP looting things he should already have.
Comment by Miauw62 from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:55 GMT
Yeah, I think that we really should keep the armor in the locker. The HoP
spawning with armor is a little silly, though. (Also the bare HoP's
jumpsuit sort of looks like shit so we should give him a fancy parade tunic
or so instead)
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MUST we do this? [image: 👎] No self respecting HoS would let the HoP
trot around acting as Security, unless his team is so thin that he has to
resort to letting potential antags join up. It is better to give him
resprited armor so he looks more like an executive, and not an officer.We are talking about a guy that walks around with all-access here. Leaving
him naked and unsatisfied could have quite a few consequences. Assistants
and clowns will no longer consider him a threat, and the lure of all-access
is too juicy to ignore. You could see the return of Guncargo, for when the
HoS refuses to share his.gear, and the HoP feels too weak with only his
E-gun.Let us avoid screwing over the guy with the all-access ID, eh? We do NOT
need the HoP looting things he should already have.Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHubhttps://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/3058#issuecomment-37425245
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Comment by Ikarrus from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 15:58 GMT
These are valid concerns and you make a very fair point, gun hog. Would it be preferable for you to just have him spawn without it, but store it in his locker? We could always change the sprites later.
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MUST we do this? No self respecting HoS would let the HoP trot around acting as Security, unless his team is so thin that he has to resort to letting potential antags join up. It is better to give him resprited armor so he looks more like an executive, and not an officer.
We are talking about a guy that walks around with all-access here. Leaving him naked and unsatisfied could have quite a few consequences. Assistants and clowns will no longer consider him a threat, and the lure of all-access is too juicy to ignore. You could see the return of Guncargo, for when the HoS refuses to share his.gear, and the HoP feels too weak with only his E-gun.
Let us avoid screwing over the guy with the all-access ID, eh? We do NOT need the HoP looting things he should already have.
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Comment by Nienhaus from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 16:00 GMT
If anything he doesn't really need a helmet.
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Yes.
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Comment by Aranclanos from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 16:00 GMT
it's the same if you spawn it on the locker, the person will take it, as their already take the sunglasses, flash and gun. You're just adding more little tasks to the roundstart gearup.
Comment by Malkevin from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 16:08 GMT
Let's be honest here, 99% of HoPs give themselves all access as part of their initial round start warm up, they're also in charge of the department that is responsible for ordering more equipment.
They're either going to raid cargos sec locker or order an armor crate themselves (which of course leaves a surplus vest and helmet if the HoP takes one for himself and one for Ian)
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it's the same if you spawn it on the locker, the person will take it, as their already take the sunglasses, flash and gun. You're just adding more little tasks to the roundstart gearup.
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Comment by Malkevin from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 16:17 GMT
Oh, and also, no sec is going to bother tackling a hop sat in his office wearing stolen armor because a certain few people decided to revert the hop office back to der corgi bunker
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Let's be honest here, 99% of HoPs give themselves all access as part of their initial round start warm up, they're also in charge of the department that is responsible for ordering more equipment.
They're either going to raid cargos sec locker or order an armor crate themselves (which of course leaves a surplus vest and helmet if the HoP takes one for himself and one for Ian)
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Subject: Re: [-tg-station] Removes HoP's armor and helmet (#3058)
it's the same if you spawn it on the locker, the person will take it, as their already take the sunglasses, flash and gun. You're just adding more little tasks to the roundstart gearup.
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Comment by Ikarrus from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 16:23 GMT
Simply removing the helmet could also do the trick. It wouldn't make him look like a trooper, but still maintain defense values befitting of someone with functionally-all-access. I like it more than just keeping it in his locker, vis a vis aran's point.
Comment by Aranclanos from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 16:28 GMT
yeah there we go apc destroyed mission accomplished
Comment by Ikarrus from Wednesday Mar 12, 2014 at 16:28 GMT
I've updated the PR to only remove the security helmet, please let me know if this is more acceptable.
ahhh stop pinging me in a million of issues
sorry, there was no way to tell the script "hey fuck off and don't add the @person things".
what's even the point of copying all issues, that will just make a mess
we were getting yelled at to bring over the issues list
...by who?
the idea of having useful comments going to waste because they have to choose in what branch they have to help in the issue list doesn't make any sense. It only generates problems and lack of organization.
Ah, good point.
so yeah you should close them all