Consider restoring v1 JP glyphs that are part of Adobe-Japan1
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Marcus98T commented
I checked through the removed JP glyphs and a good amount of them are part of Adobe-Japan1-6. There were some issues reported before, and I’ve reported some of them as well, but I realized this is much worse than I thought. So I made a table below for Adobe to consider restoring the v1 JP glyphs, and a comparison gif file of the affected glyphs.
I will not be asking to restore all of them. There are a few of those in the table that might actually be renamed glyphs so they may look almost identical.
I understand some of them are removed either because the CN glyph is better designed or that it’s for balancing and consistency, but unfortunately, a good amount of glyphs now look a bit worse because they use CN by default, especially those with the 心 component.
| Unicode | Character | Restore JP glyph? | Replace CN Glyph? | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| U+47E6 | 䟦 | No | - | The JP glyph that is closest to Kozuka Mincho was somehow renamed to uni47E6-CN, whereas a separate CN glyph in v1 was removed. Suggest to rename it back to uni47E6-JP |
| U+4E0B | 下 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+4F53 | 体 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+4F8D | 侍 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+50FE | 僾 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+5146 | 兆 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+5174 | 兴 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+5208 | 刈 | No, but adjust | - | Adjust CN glyph instead to make the drop stroke in the left X component a bit lower. It has to be in between the v1 JP glyph and the CN glyph as a compromise |
| U+5261 | 剡 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+529F | 功 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+5357 | 南 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+535C | 卜 | No, but adjust | - | Maybe move the CN glyph a bit to the left instead |
| U+53CC | 双 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+53E3 | 口 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+540A | 吊 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+548C | 和 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+5515 | 唕 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+5549 | 啉 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+5556 | 啖 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+557E | 啾 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+55C4 | 嗄 | Yes | Yes | Supplemental to issue #158 |
| U+55E3 | 嗣 | Yes | Yes | In issues #130 and #156 |
| U+5608 | 嘈 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+56A0 | 嚠 | Yes | No | In issue #174 |
| U+56A7 | 嚧 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+56DE | 回 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+5728 | 在 | Yes, and adjust | Yes | Maybe remove the extra detail from the left part as circled when restoring the JP glyph  |
| U+5893 | 墓 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+58DA | 壚 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+590F | 夏 | Yes | Yes | In issue #158 |
| U+5961 | 奡 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+5C65 | 履 | Yes | Yes | In issue #158 |
| U+5DDB | 巛 | No | - | Looks the same, only uni5DDB-CN is kept in v2 |
| U+5E1B | 帛 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+5E55 | 幕 | Yes | Yes | Supplemental to issue #158 |
| U+5F53 | 当 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+5F85 | 待 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+5F92 | 徒 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+5F97 | 得 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+6041 | 恁 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+6043 | 恃 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+6077 | 恷 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+607F | 恿 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+60E0 | 惠 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+60E5 | 惥 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+60F3 | 想 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+60F9 | 惹 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+6100 | 愀 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+6106 | 愆 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+610E | 愎 | Yes | Yes | In issue #158 |
| U+611A | 愚 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+6121 | 愡 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+6142 | 慂 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+6155 | 慕 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+616C | 慬 | No | - | v1 was following extended Shinjitai, for which it should not be according to JIS standards |
| U+617D | 慽 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+61A5 | 憥 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+61BC | 憼 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+61CB | 懋 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+6234 | 戴 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+624C | 扌 | No | - | Looks almost the same (position slightly differed between v1 JP and v1 CN), but only uni624C-CN was kept |
| U+6311 | 挑 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+6349 | 捉 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+638C | 掌 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+63F4 | 援 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+6491 | 撑 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+64CE | 擎 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+65E6 | 旦 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+6627 | 昧 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+6696 | 暖 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+66AE | 暮 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+66B4 | 暴 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+6728 | 木 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+6756 | 杖 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+6843 | 桃 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+6853 | 桓 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+6881 | 梁 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+68CF | 棏 | No, but adjust | - | CN looks better, but adjust the 木 radical to follow JP-designed ones |
| U+6A0C | 樌 | Yes | No | In issue #174 |
| U+6A3A | 樺 | Yes | No | Regional difference in 華 component, bottommost stroke longer in CN than in JP |
| U+6A50 | 橐 | Yes, and adjust | Yes | There should be no top decoration in the bottom 木 component when restoring the JP glyph  |
| U+6ACC | 櫌 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+6AD6 | 櫖 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+6AE8 | 櫨 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+6BAC | 殬 | Yes | No | Supplemental to issue #176 |
| U+6BDB | 毛 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+6BEF | 毯 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+6C88 | 沈 | Yes | Yes | In issues #148 and #156 |
| U+6C9B | 沛 | No | - | Late correction: Adobe should not restore this glyph, see this issue as the current glyph follows etymology. |
| U+6D7C | 浼 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+6D8A | 涊 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+6DC2 | 淂 | Yes, and adjust | Yes | JP looks better, but there should be no top decoration in the bottom 寸 component when restoring the JP glyph  |
| U+6E2B | 渫 | Yes | No | JP cannot accept CN-Song-style in 世 component |
| U+6E7F | 湿 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+6FCA | 濊 | Yes | Yes | The 歲 component is already made consistent by using the KR glyph for JP, do not change. Details here. EDIT: Might need to post a separate issue about the 歲 component, but for now, the restoring of the v1 JP glyph only applies to CN/TW/HK. |
| U+7164 | 煤 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+7184 | 熄 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+72AD | 犭 | No | - | Better to keep the radical on the left side, also not much design difference between JP and CN anyway |
| U+7430 | 琰 | No | - | v1 JP glyph nearly identical to CN glyph except as circled in the ExtraLight weight. Maybe keep CN. |
| U+74A6 | 璦 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+7684 | 的 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+76A7 | 皧 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+7708 | 眈 | Yes | Yes | In issues #148 and #156 |
| U+77A0 | 瞠 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+77B1 | 瞱 | Yes | No | Regional difference in 華 component, bottommost stroke longer in CN than in JP |
| U+7935 | 礵 | Yes | No | Regional difference in top 雨 component, CN does not have serifs in short horizontal strokes |
| U+79CB | 秋 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+7A57 | 穗 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+7B14 | 笔 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+7B1B | 笛 | No | - | Looks the same, only uni7B1B-CN is kept in v2 |
| U+7B45 | 筅 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+7B4F | 筏 | No | - | Looks the same, only uni7B4F-CN is kept in v2 |
| U+7C34 | 簴 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+7C56 | 籖 | No | - | EDIT: I checked that the glyph was likely adjusted for regional compatibility in v2. Do not restore for now. |
| U+7C89 | 粉 | Yes | No | JP cannot accept CN-Song-style in 分 component |
| U+8004 | 耄 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+800C | 而 | Yes | Yes | In issues #130 and #156 |
| U+8010 | 耐 | Yes | Yes | In issues #130 and #156 |
| U+8179 | 腹 | Yes | Yes | Supplemental to issue #158 |
| U+832C | 茬 | Yes, and adjust | Yes | Maybe remove the extra detail from the left part as circled when restoring the JP glyph |
| U+8478 | 葸 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+864D | 虍 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+8700 | 蜀 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+8785 | 螅 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+8788 | 螈 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+87BD | 螽 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+87CB | 蟋 | Yes | Yes | Unify the 心 component to JP |
| U+8986 | 覆 | Yes | Yes | Supplemental to issue #158 |
| U+8D70 | 走 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+8D85 | 超 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+8E59 | 蹙 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+90EF | 郯 | Yes | Yes | |
| U+918B | 醋 | No | - | CN looks better |
| U+99A5 | 馥 | Yes | Yes | Supplemental to issue #158 |
| U+9A5D | 驝 | Yes | Yes | There should be no top decoration in the bottom 木 component when restoring the JP glyph  |
| U+9EA6 | 麦 | Yes | Yes | Supplemental to issue #158 |
| U+9EE0 | 黠 | Yes | Yes |
UPDATE 2023-08-18: 岸 (U+5CB8) is resolved in Serif v2.002, so I will remove its entry from the table.