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Since you ignorantly closed the discussion without allowing for a response, especially that you ask a question, I have to open another issue to continue the discussion, that's very lazy by the way on your part and kind of pathetic, so either act like a serious developer or just leave and go play in your sandbox. (#1)
"I can't reproduce it on my end, see http://lesterchan.net/wordpress_dev/, I have choose Print Icon Only"
Well just because it works in your vacuum with hard-coding doesn't mean it works. I gave you the screenshot of the item, when its chosen, it disappears completely and only comes back if you go in and choose with text. Now just because it shows up in a test you have setup god knows when and how, doesn't mean it works and it doesn't truly reflect a real life situation. Can you go to any blog right now, not the dev one but a real one, and still prove that it shows up? Because I can prove that it doesn't.
"It is impossible to satisfy everybody. I don't see why modifying too much CSS is the plugin problem. So I will leave it at CSS for now."
No one asked you to satisfy everyone but in this particular case you actually can if you did your homework and were willing to do the work or knew how frankly. You can implement an actual interface to do it or leave it to be done manually, the user has both choices and that WOULD satisfy everyone. BTW, if you knew anything about maintaining a serious distribution you would know that modifying site/theme CSS to implement a plugin is bad practice as any update that comes in the future to that theme or ever possibly the core will replace those changes.
"I agree, but when I do this, the rest of the people will want to turn it off and place the code in themselves because they want to customize it rather than placing above or below the post content. Again, it is not possible to satisfy everybody. And I don't see why including it in a theme is not clean, it is the only alternative out there."
Again, you can provide the mechanism to use it or don't use it, you don't have to remove it, you have a very bad way of thinking all or nothing and for a programmer, that's a fatal mistake. We make things happen, not give up and concede. You seem to find it easier to just throw your hands up instead of do some work to make it better fit multiple scenarios.
"Where is the complain? http://wordpress.org/support/plugin/wp-print I didn't see anything about this. Just A FYI, I subscribed to my plugins support thread and I read it daily. If I didn't reply means user didn't bother to search or he asked a question that is not related to the plugin."
They are there if you actually bothered to read and I doubt you don't answer because the questions are invalid, because at the very least you can post the link to what they need to read without saying anything but you say nothing. Trust me as someone who supports over 24 support sites that comprise top 5% of the world's support communities, you are just lazy. Good support means engaging with your community, even if they ask a rookie question, you can point them to the answer, especially that your support material is scattered, disorganized and not very complete. You just posted comments here and there hoping everyone will jump through the hoops and wander around looking through your bragging to get to two sentences that might be helpful or in most cases not.
"I am still maintaining it, but I doubt I will add in any features unless it is from others who submitted a pull request to the plugin."
Well it should be made easier for you soon as you will become obsolete. I was hoping to implement something to save time but after wasting this much of it having a discussion with someone clearly clueless as you and trying to educate you on proper support, I decided to save my time and just build a better solution that integrates perfectly with WP from scratch and after I finished, I submitted it to the WP team for integration into the next version at which time people won't need your half baked tool, they will have a fully featured one built in and they can just ditch your ass. So enjoy the ride while you have a ride.
Let me start off by saying I will not reply to every angry reply from you, it serve no purpose. So let's agree to disagree, and to make you feel better, some points of yours are valid.
"Since you ignorantly closed the discussion without allowing for a response, especially that you ask a question, I have to open another issue to continue the discussion, that's very lazy by the way on your part and kind of pathetic, so either act like a serious developer or just leave and go play in your sandbox. (#1)"
You can always comment it while it is still close, and I will still read it.
"Well just because it works in your vacuum with hard-coding doesn't mean it works. I gave you the screenshot of the item, when its chosen, it disappears completely and only comes back if you go in and choose with text. Now just because it shows up in a test you have setup god knows when and how, doesn't mean it works and it doesn't truly reflect a real life situation. Can you go to any blog right now, not the dev one but a real one, and still prove that it shows up? Because I can prove that it doesn't."
You has a developer, you should know that a screenshot doesn't tell me, it shows the problem. The steps needed to reproduce it is essential
It is not hardcode, I don't benefit anything from bluffing you. Just for your benefit, I change another real site to Icon Only http://lesterchan.net/wordpress/. And I leave the Email link there for comparison.
Let me know how to reproduce it and I will fix it.
"No one asked you to satisfy everyone but in this particular case you actually can if you did your homework and were willing to do the work or knew how frankly. You can implement an actual interface to do it or leave it to be done manually, the user has both choices and that WOULD satisfy everyone. BTW, if you knew anything about maintaining a serious distribution you would know that modifying site/theme CSS to implement a plugin is bad practice as any update that comes in the future to that theme or ever possibly the core will replace those changes."
Agreed on the interface part. I disagree on "modifying site/theme CSS". The proper way is to use a child theme. Go read it up http://codex.wordpress.org/Child_Themes
"Well it should be made easier for you soon as you will become obsolete. I was hoping to implement something to save time but after wasting this much of it having a discussion with someone clearly clueless as you and trying to educate you on proper support, I decided to save my time and just build a better solution that integrates perfectly with WP from scratch and after I finished, I submitted it to the WP team for integration into the next version at which time people won't need your half baked tool, they will have a fully featured one built in and they can just ditch your ass. So enjoy the ride while you have a ride."
Good luck with that, it doesn't bother me. I welcome more plugins that does the same thing, because end of the day it will benefit the community. I don't earn a living from this anyway.
And this time round, just to make you less pissed off, I will keep it open for a month.
PS: Been doing WordPress for almost 9 years, and this is the most angst support question I have gotten, take a chill pill man. You are using this plugin for free and I am not getting paid to do it nor I am doing this for a living. It is purely volunteer basis.
Lester Chan wrote:
Let me start off by saying I can't be bothered to reply to every angry
reply from you, it serve no purpose. So let me selective reply it.It becomes angry when you act with arrogance and cavalier dismissal, I
didn't start that way. I came to you with a legitimate report and asked
you to look into it and you immediately said, nothing is wrong with it.
So you need a bit of a reality check.
"Well just because it works in your vacuum with hard-coding doesn't
mean it works. I gave you the screenshot of the item, when its chosen,
it disappears completely and only comes back if you go in and choose
with text. Now just because it shows up in a test you have setup god
knows when and how, doesn't mean it works and it doesn't truly reflect
a real life situation. Can you go to any blog right now, not the dev
one but a real one, and still prove that it shows up? Because I can
prove that it doesn't."It is not hardcode, I don't benefit of bluffing you. Just for your
benefit, I change another real site to Icon Only
http://lesterchan.net/wordpress/. And I leave the Email link there for
comparison.Let me know how to reproduce it and I will fix it.
I didn't say you hardcoded it for me to fool me, you really need to pay
attention. I said, that just because a hardcoded test site, which it is
since its static. Doesn't necessarily reproduce the issue because its
not like you are changing it since the last time it worked.
The way to reproduce it is VERY simple. I sent you the screenshot of the
options, right? You select image+text it shows up, you select image only
and its gone. Simple as that. Would you like a video demonstration, is
that it?
And this time round, just to make you less pissed off, I will keep it
open for a month.
thank you but no need, I figured I just email the reply to you. I had
been at the several tech conferences and I didn't get a chance to write
until now, that's on me. Sorry for that.
Sorry, i give up, I still can't reproduce it on my end! I have attached the screenshot to the backend and for the front end it is http://lesterchan.net/wordpress/. As a software developer, you should know that I need to be able to reproduce the bug in order to solve it, screenshot is helpful but it is useless if the author can't reproduce it.
I really tried on 2 WordPress installation, I switch to Print Icon only and it display fine for me.
If you are not satisfied, I can't do anything about it. Feel freel to create your own plugin, fork my plugin and attempt to fix it or find an alternative. A pure CSS way like http://coding.smashingmagazine.com/2011/11/24/how-to-set-up-a-print-style-sheet/ is pretty good as it removes the dependance of a plugin
Fair enough, I sent you the same screenshot of the backend where it was
selected but it causes it to disappear. Alternative already achieved, I
have been testing it with the WP dev team to see which version to
implement in or if they want to expand it.
On 9/21/2013 2:09 AM, Lester Chan wrote:
Sorry, i give up, I still can't reproduce it on my end! I have
attached the screenshot to the backend and for the front end it is
http://lesterchan.net/wordpress/. Feel freel to create your own plugin
or find an alternative =)print icon only
https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/355829/1185339/5d312386-229d-11e3-83ae-214bb2a61490.jpg—
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#2 (comment).
Awesome! Let me know when it gets to the core, so I can deprecated this plugin like WP-Sticky which got into the core as Sticky Posts.
Nice, I will list you as someone who has a plugin for this feature so
they may reach out to you and see if you have any ideas you want to
implement as well or maybe even have a chance to merge or co-opt the
codes. Take care.
On 9/24/2013 5:34 PM, Lester Chan wrote:
Awesome! Let me know when it gets to the core, so I can deprecated
this plugin like WP-Sticky which got into the core as Sticky Posts.—
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#2 (comment).
Thank you man, you too! =)