See the talk here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3TO52rXLug&list=PLIldXzSkPUXWsvFA4AuawPoMnq9Bh1lIZ&index=9
The slides can be found here: http://dconf.org/2020/online/slides/steve.pdf
And the main dconf site: http://dconf.org/2020/online/index.html