Concretizes at some time vs concretizes at all times
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From cmung...@gmail.com on November 16, 2012 17:08:05
Is it possible to have
- x 'concretizes at some time' y
Without also having
- x 'concretizes at all times' y
?
If not, they should be merged. If so, an example should be provided.
The existing example does not help as it doesn't refer to time, and is reused for both temporal forms:
'example of usage' "you may concretize a poem as a pattern of memory traces in your head"@en
Consider adding different examples for different temporal forms.
Also consider another example. I have no idea what a pattern of memory traces in my head might be, or how I might go about finding a poem concretized in one of them.
Original issue: http://code.google.com/p/bfo/issues/detail?id=131
From cmung...@gmail.com on November 16, 2012 14:15:07
Labels: -Type-BFO2-Reference Type-BFO2-OWL
From alanruttenberg@gmail.com on November 16, 2012 16:19:00
Thinking aloud:
depends on, e.g. whether IA can change. If you think a document changes, then there are some magnetic fields on my disk that concretized it before but no longer do.
Will think of other examples/counters.
could change pattern of memory traces -> pattern of synapses for closer connection to current understanding of how memories are formed. We want something that suggests something can be concretized in the head but it doesn't need to sound as specific.
From HunterOn...@gmail.com on November 19, 2012 09:19:31
The strategy for handling documents in IAO was inspired by the FRBR model http://archive.ifla.org/VII/s13/frbr/frbr1.htm . In that model, a "work" is a distinct intellectual or artistic creation, which is realized in an "expression", which in turn is embodied in a "manifestation." The distinction between works is based on "a significant degree of independent intellectual or artistic effort" (so, e.g. Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet is a different work than Franco Zeffirelli's motion picture of the same name). A particular work can have multiple expressions, e.g. different editions, such as Romeo & Juliet's quarto version of 1597 versus the first folio edition of 1623, which had far fewer errors and typos). In the FRBR model, translations are expressions.
With respect to the question at hand, it would seem as if the FRBR model suggests that if an expression 'concretizes at some time' a work, then it concretizes that work at all times. Just because a better edition comes out, doesn't mean the old one ceases to be a concretization of the work. Multiple expressions can realize the same work.
If we want to extend that reasoning to IAs generally, then 'concertizes at some time' should be merged with 'concretizes at all times'
Larry