MCF: Missing 'Organization527Ind'?
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jsfenfen commented
I noticed that the 527 checkboxes in 990, 990EZ seem to be missing in the master concordance?
/Return/ReturnData/IRS990EZ/Organization527Ind
/Return/ReturnData/IRS990/Organization527Ind
Dunno if anyone's ever said yes to this, but seems to be possible? Am I missing something?
borenstein commented
They must have gotten removed in one of the updates. This is consistent
with my impression that there were fewer variables, and less data, than
there had been in the past. Can you check the version history to see if
they got clobbered at some point?
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On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Jacob Fenton ***@***.***> wrote:
I noticed that the 527 checkboxes in 990, 990EZ seem to be missing in the
master concordance?
/Return/ReturnData/IRS990EZ/Organization527Ind
/Return/ReturnData/IRS990/Organization527Ind
Dunno if anyone's ever said yes to this, but seems to be possible? Am I
missing something?
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borenstein commented
Unfortunately, we'll have to work with what we have for the validatathon; I
don't think I'll have time to re-generate the master data set.
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On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 7:59 PM, David Bruce Borenstein <
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They must have gotten removed in one of the updates. This is consistent
with my impression that there were fewer variables, and less data, than
there had been in the past. Can you check the version history to see if
they got clobbered at some point?
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> I noticed that the 527 checkboxes in 990, 990EZ seem to be missing in the
> master concordance?
>
> /Return/ReturnData/IRS990EZ/Organization527Ind
> /Return/ReturnData/IRS990/Organization527Ind
>
> Dunno if anyone's ever said yes to this, but seems to be possible? Am I
> missing something?
>
> [image: image]
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lecy commented
I just did a quick search in the source files - the base spreadsheet david created for the datathon and the spreadsheet miguel contributed, and did not find these in either.
is there something unique about the way the path is presented that would have caused a problem?
borenstein commented
So we have not had these since May? Yikes!
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On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Jesse Lecy ***@***.***> wrote:
I just did a quick search in the source files - the base spreadsheet david
created for the datathon and the spreadsheet miguel contributed, and did
not find these in either.
https://github.com/Nonprofit-Open-Data-Collective/irs-
efile-master-concordance-file/tree/master/development
is there something unique about the way the path is presented that would
have caused a problem?
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borenstein commented
I don't think this is necessarily a bug. The check box's element only
appears in the return if it is actually checked. Not all of the items in
the schema are actually represented in the data set, and we deliberately
excluded anything that was indicated in the schema but not attested in the
data.
I just checked for several of the other check box fields (eg
Organization501c3Ind, AllAffiliatesIncludedInd) and I found that they were
indeed there as expected. So unless we can find an XML file that contains
the 527 field, I'm going to say the program performed correctly.
I'm going to close this ticket for now. If we do find the a 990 containing
the missing 527 field, then there is indeed a bug and I will need to
investigate.
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On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 8:36 PM, David Bruce Borenstein <
david.bruce.borenstein@gmail.com> wrote:
So we have not had these since May? Yikes!
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> I just did a quick search in the source files - the base spreadsheet
> david created for the datathon and the spreadsheet miguel contributed, and
> did not find these in either.
>
> https://github.com/Nonprofit-Open-Data-Collective/irs-efile-
> master-concordance-file/tree/master/development
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> is there something unique about the way the path is presented that would
> have caused a problem?
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jsfenfen commented
Yeah, I see no instances in the 2013 and on era of this variable ever appearing. Whether or not this is a bug, it's definitely worth following up. I believe 527 orgs have the option of filing 8871/8872 reports as well, but unclear if that removes this requirement?
lecy commented
That makes sense, and I'm good with closing the ticket for now.
I'm just glad we are not missing 527 check boxes!
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…On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Jacob Fenton ***@***.***> wrote:
Yeah, I see no instances in the 2013 and on era of this variable ever
appearing. Whether or not this is a bug, it's definitely worth following
up. I believe 527 orgs have the option of filing 8871/8872 reports as well,
but unclear if that removes this requirement?
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jsfenfen commented
Not sure what to make of this pdf 900817449-990POL-01.pdf
This is an efile generated graphic for ty 2012 with the 527 box checked. What's odd is that I got it from the IRS 527 search, which said that it was a paper result, even though clearly it's generated.
borenstein commented
Is it in the Amazon index?
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Not sure what to make of this pdf 900817449-990POL-01.pdf
<https://github.com/Nonprofit-Open-Data-Collective/irs-efile-master-concordance-file/files/1420798/900817449-990POL-01.pdf>
This is an efile generated graphic for ty 2012 with the 527 box checked.
What's odd is that I got it from the IRS 527 search, which said that it was
a paper result, even though clearly it's generated.
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jsfenfen commented
Nope it looks like the efiled 990's from 527 orgs have been systematically excluded from the amazon dump? Ask me about the file Sean O'Reilly took down showing the number of 990s submitted electronically but not released electronically.
Here's another: doh, the link doesn't work here's the file (it's 2015): PDF File
And another 460769544-990POL-05.pdf
jsfenfen commented
I'm closing this for now, as it doesn't seem to be a problem with the code reading the xml, but a larger problem.