espresto/reclaim-social-media

separate reclaim data from blog posts

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I'm using reclaim in parallel with normal post blogs. Even I like the idea to have all on the same place, right now it might not be the best setup.
I just had a bad idea by installing a plugin that reposted my blog posts to the social networks and I filled the Internet with one of my blog posts by creating a loop between it and reclaim...
I will probably move Reclaim to another WP instance to clean things up, but this is not always possible and I wonder if the Reclaimed stuff couldn't be shown on a separated page and wouldn't interfere with hand made posts.

first of all, i think it's almost never a good idea to autopost to social networks. especialy not, if you have a blog that autoupdates itself. most of all, that plugin should have an option, to exclude certain content types or categories.

about separation: there already is separation through taxonomy. wordpress is actually pretty good in handling those taxonomies, you can filter categories, authors, tags or even months, set the display for each of them or put them on separate pages.

we could however explore whether a custom post type for autogenerated reclaim posts would help, but if i understand it right, it's just another taxonomy that can be used for filtering, sorting or display on subpages. custom post types need their own display logic and templates, so i'm not sure whether benefit and cost add up.

i think setting up filtering and display options should be up to the user and wordpress and — if needed — plugins. reclaim should take care of good default settings (see #69) but the decision of how to display, categorize these posts should be up to to the user through wordpress settings, wordpress themes and — if needed — plugins.

maybe a custom post type would be helpful for sorting and filtering, but i think it's important to honor the benefits of using standard wordpress posts and what we get from that:

  • rss feeds for each category or taxonomy
  • json api for re-aggregation through one simple plugin
  • search
  • countless options for displaying our content through ready made or custom themes

but may be i misunderstood what you are looking for, when you say, you'd like a separate page for autogenerated content. sibce you can display handmade entries on the startpage of a reclaim blog either through filtering with a plugin or through filtering logic in the theme/loop, is there something else that you are looking for when you ask for more separation? can you get a little more specfic about what excactly you are looking for?

BTW, fiddling with the theme offers even more possibilities, since we can identify autogenerated content not only through the category, but also through the meta content (i.e. _post_generator or original_guid), you can display and separate post as you like.

but thats another thing: building a reclaim theme, that focuses on exactly that: finding good ways to display the reclaimed content, make it all easily filterable and reaggregateable.

opps, didn't want to close it (yet).

Yes, I knew that activate this push-to-social wasn't a good idea, but I thought I could filter this but with the plugin I used, I seems not (and because of #71 I'm stuck with several duplicates as long as I don't clean my silos).
What I was looking for was to have a homepage with only my non reclaim stuff and a link to my reclaim content. So in fact, I have a category Reclaim and a category Blog. My landing page would be only the Blog category and I would have a separated page with up-to-date Reclaim content. Then my misadventure with the social plugin lead me to thinking about that I don't want to have plugins acting on reclaim posts and that they should maybe be something else.

But you're right, finally it is more a matter of WP theming (and bad plugin use) and a custom post type shouldn't be necessary. Reading a bit more about themes, I just have to figure out how to display only a certain categories as landing page or only the reclaim category as a second page (seems not so easy to do, after all).

(shouldn't there be better forum for such discussion as those aren't issues in fact?)

i think it's ok to discuss stuff like this right here, not only because discussion like this lead to follow-up issues or milestones. i won't convert these ideas into issues right away, but i think these should be considered in the future:

  • design a theme for reclaim
  • design functions that help filtering and displaying reclaim posts in regular themes
  • think about a solution for #71 and better filtering before creating posts (#45)
  • think about forcing some default settings (like in #69) to help the users with filtering and displaying